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« on: August 10, 2013, 02:31:37 PM »
Ya know, King of Sorrow looks and dresses a LOT like original Klonoa from the first game. I wonder why. Anyone have any speculations as to why?


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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2013, 02:40:34 PM »
I'm guessing he is based on Klonoa's own sorrow when he left Phantomile.
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2013, 03:23:08 PM »
Quote from: "Aura24"
I'm guessing he is based on Klonoa's own sorrow when he left Phantomile.
That's usually the answer I get, but in a way I find it a little unsatisfactory. I mean, Hyuponia is a forgotten kingdom, and as far as I can tell, it's rather an old kingdom. People in the old days used to travel freely between all the kingdoms. Unless, Klonoa's own sorrow manifested itself and became the NEW ruler of Hyuponia, then I suppose it makes sense.

I shouldn't put TOO much logic in a video game. :P


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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2013, 04:11:22 PM »
Maybe the name of the place can give us clues. " HYUPOnia " ...

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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 10:04:04 PM »
He's clearly the older form of Mieu from Tales of the Abyss. Finally had enough of Luke calling him "thing." x3


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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2013, 10:06:16 PM »
Omg I love that character.:3
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2013, 02:08:18 PM »
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He's clearly the older form of Mieu from Tales of the Abyss. Finally had enough of Luke calling him "thing." x3

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Never seen him before, but he looks like the love child of Huepow x Klonoa

Oh boy, let the shipping wars begin!


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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2013, 02:16:04 PM »
Mieu is actually only one of a whole bunch of similar creatures called Cheagles. So yeah, Tales of the Abyss has an entire race of mini-Klonoas~

Probably worth mentioning that the people of Tales Studio are admitted Klonoa fans x3

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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2013, 08:29:39 PM »
I heard a theory that Klonoa 2 in its entirety is just Klonoa coping with his painful experiences in Phantomile. He travels to five different kingdoms in the game, each one represents one of the stages of grief. I'm going to borrow this from TVtropes.

"Each of the kingdoms represents a part of Klonoa's psyche, and the fact that people from the kingdoms don't mingle are symbolic of Klonoa blocking out certain emotions. Lolo is possibly symbolic of his hope or desire to do his best. But most of all, the King Of Sorrow looks remarkably like Huepow (note the ring of rope around his neck and the teal colours); this could represent the lost friendship that he and Huepow had, and how he saw himself in Huepow as one would with a close friend. The icing on the cake is that The Fifth Kingdom is called Hyuponia and throughout the second to penultimate level, hints of the Windmill Song play amongst the twisted music.
There are five kingdoms based on emotions: Tranquility, Joy, Discord, Indecision, and Sorrow. There also happens to be five stages of grief: Denial, Bargaining, Anger, Depression, and Acceptance. Because of imbalance, the kingdoms are displaying their respective stage of grief, and are traveled to in the same order as the stages of grief: La-Lakoosha priestesses in denial that the world has gone into chaos and just waiting for the Dream Traveler, Joliant trying to distract itself with endless entertainment in hopes to stay happy for a little while longer, Volk City devolving into senseless war and Leorina making a ring copy out of anger, Mira-Mira citizens getting depressed and asking "why bother with anything anymore?", and lastly The King of Sorrow accepting that he needs Klonoa's help to end his life. And as each bell is rung, that stage of grief is passed. So during the course of one dream, which in gameplay time is little over 4 hours, Klonoa has coped with grief that would take a normal person many years to resolve. That's pretty badass.
Also note the symbol of the priestesses of La-Lakoosha, and the statues of the Mother Goddess Claire. The green triangle represents Klonoa's Dream Ring - a fabled artifact spoken highly of by several characters in the game - and the wings are symbolic of Klonoa's ears that he uses to fly (sure it's only for 2 seconds, but it still counts). We can also see this symbolism in the statue of the MG Claire: she has wings that mirror the symbolism of those in the priestess' emblem, and the ball of energy she has in her hands is similar to the ring. The statue of Claire The Ancient has a striking resemblance to Lephise - and the fact it hides The Fifth Kingdom is similar to how the Moon Kingdom was hidden in the first game. Klonoa literally has to overcome his sorrow and accept it, in order to continue with his life."

Most of this is believable and quite intriguing, so I recommend reading it all.

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2013, 10:16:52 PM »
I've had that thought of the kingdoms of Lunatea representing the Kubler-Ross model of dealing with grief myself. Joliant is Denial, Mira Mira is Bargaining, Volk is Anger, Hyuponia is Depression, and La-Lakoosha is Acceptance.