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There have been some criticisms from our peers of Klonoa's gameplay not holding up after playing it at least twice, apparently the gameplay needs a bit more depth to open up more ways to play them. Even just doing time trials on them doesn't cut it.

I personally can see this as an issue, as Klonoa's stronger points in storytelling have not translated into an equally memorable gameplay style. While I like the level design of the games they don't seem to expand beyond their required set paths.

Sure, sometimes there are these forks in the roads to collect extra Prisoners/Mommett Dolls and Dream Stones, but they quickly loop back to the main path of the Vision anyway.

I do adore the puzzles we find along the way, but they are still technically one obstacle that blocks a direct path into the Vision's exit. Of course The Legendary Kingdom is at least one good example of at least trying to bring some progression variety but it is still the same basic goal.

And because we rely on the two button philosophy it can be as much as a blessing as it may be a curse, we trade potential move set variety for simplicity. But that very simplicity may be detrimental if there aren't some kinds of augmenting features like power ups to expand Klonoa's default move set, that of which in term, could be applied to reach new heights in level design.

What if we brought some mechanics inspired by other games into the mix? What if we sidestep the two button gameplay philosophy in favor of movement variety? What if say, just like Metroid or Super Mario World, there is more than one way to progress through a Vision? Opening the door to shortcuts and secret Visions perhaps? Before I elaborate on this, I'd like to hear your opinions!

[rapappa the pepper]

Take some Tomba 1 to 2 cues for how multiple planes / layers has to expand. As i have said many times here... Klonoa has, kinda forgotten about the foreground and background mechanic, the game utilizing it the most, being the very first. 

I also think a level should be more loose. Something about Klonoa, is too tight in design, so designed, it`s always the same. Take the old Sonic games for instance, they were essentially physics playgrounds and if you knew how to play around with them, it'd be for your benefit, taking you to greater paths and such. (i know i hate to compare Sonic and Klonoa together, again, Kirby and NiGHTS are more like Klonoa than Sonic...)
Speaking of Kirby...  I think all monsters, except for moos, should have an unique throw or effect for when you hold them, like those little copters from 1-1's first bridge from Door to Phantomile, with this, Haggis said if there was to be a 3rd button in Klonoa... It could be to store an enemy, so it could have multiple loses, that the player can decide what to do with it how ever, when ever he feels like it.
Have a time limit for levels?  I know this is arcade design philosophy, but it ensures a faster pace and the will of wanting to do better next time, which... Again, i feel like most games after Door to Phantomile, also aren't nearly as fun to play as Door to Phantomile because of their slower pace, and how they are less agressive and such, change 3 hearts to 6 hearts back and you can do more with the levels, and makes you actually feel like getting hit means something, rather than "stop playing stupid!" meter.

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Take some Tomba 1 to 2 cues for how multiple planes / layers has to expand. As i have said many times here... Klonoa has, kinda forgotten about the foreground and background mechanic, the game utilizing it the most, being the very first. 

I've not played the Tomba! games yet, perhaps I could give the first game a go once it releases on PC supposedly later this year. "Background and foreground mechanic", hmm, that depends. I assume it is like switching back and forth between two different plains on the same viewport, though to make sense a level would have to be built around it to be fun.

I figured Klonoa already uses a similar system of alternating paths which can converge in forks and join again into one point. I think the railway turntable-like puzzle found in Maze of Memories was a fun way to experiment with a choice of pathways, that got me to think if Klonoa could use a form of rail switches to make complex, chose-your-own-patch level design possible.

I also think a level should be more loose. Something about Klonoa, is too tight in design, so designed, it`s always the same. Take the old Sonic games for instance, they were essentially physics playgrounds and if you knew how to play around with them, it'd be for your benefit, taking you to greater paths and such. (i know i hate to compare Sonic and Klonoa together, again, Kirby and NiGHTS are more like Klonoa than Sonic...)

I'd definitely like to see some kind of experimentation with physics, although Klonoa himsef does carry a tiny bit of momentum just so the platforming doesn't feel too stiff! What if he entered some kind of jelly ball which he can control and bounce towards any direction at will (or y'know...use the wind ring on himself somehow  ) and you could use that to have a way to bounce to new heights, using the walls or even rolling down the hill at speed.

On the topic of speed he could even wear a jetpack or something of the like! He could climb or learn to do the famous wall jumps. It depends on how much it can affect the design on top of the fact that Klonoa can use enemies as an extra jump boost or projectile.

Speaking of Kirby...  I think all monsters, except for moos, should have an unique throw or effect for when you hold them, like those little copters from 1-1's first bridge from Door to Phantomile, with this, Haggis said if there was to be a 3rd button in Klonoa... It could be to store an enemy, so it could have multiple loses, that the player can decide what to do with it how ever, when ever he feels like it.

I absolutely adored the contextual/elemental monsters in Klonoa 2 and I definitely believe this is something that should be expanded on. Having a storage system like that could open up even more level path or activate some secrets that the game doesn't directly tell you about. It does circle back to the idea that we could take a lot of Super Mario World's intertwined level design can be worked into Klonoa, if not doubled down on thanks to the 2.5D setting.

Have a time limit for levels?  I know this is arcade design philosophy, but it ensures a faster pace and the will of wanting to do better next time, which... Again, i feel like most games after Door to Phantomile, also aren't nearly as fun to play as Door to Phantomile because of their slower pace, and how they are less agressive and such, change 3 hearts to 6 hearts back and you can do more with the levels, and makes you actually feel like getting hit means something, rather than "stop playing stupid!" meter.

Well, I wouldn't totally be opposed to a time limit but it would be awkward to introduce one this late into the series. It would pretty much detract from all the other ideas on expanded level design and some potential exploration in that case, plus if we're bringing back those dumb 150 Dream Stone and bubble prisoner challenges and you may start to see why a time limit may not be wise. That would be on top of whatever new type of collective this hypothetical Klonoa game introduces.

Even then, imagine a time limit on that stupid Ark level  .