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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2013, 02:13:57 pm »
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I've had that thought of the kingdoms of Lunatea representing the Kubler-Ross model of dealing with grief myself. Joliant is Denial, Mira Mira is Bargaining, Volk is Anger, Hyuponia is Depression, and La-Lakoosha is Acceptance.
Heh, I was the only one who noticed that. Good to know I'm not the only one! Though the stages are a bit out of order in the game itself. I'm not really sure if Phantomile has a set up like that other than 5 Kingdoms/Towns and the such.


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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2013, 01:24:30 am »
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I've had that thought of the kingdoms of Lunatea representing the Kubler-Ross model of dealing with grief myself. Joliant is Denial, Mira Mira is Bargaining, Volk is Anger, Hyuponia is Depression, and La-Lakoosha is Acceptance.
Heh, I was the only one who noticed that. Good to know I'm not the only one! Though the stages are a bit out of order in the game itself. I'm not really sure if Phantomile has a set up like that other than 5 Kingdoms/Towns and the such.
Yeah, the level order doesn't correspond with the process... But look at the world map.

La-Lakoosha (acceptance), is in the center, and all the other kingdoms surround it. It's also the one that's most visually affected as the game goes on.

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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2014, 03:10:52 pm »
Does anyone else think the King might actually be the element of sorrow? The way he vanished into light and floated up right before the element floated down to Klonoa really seems to suggest it.

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2014, 08:23:41 pm »
My theory is that the King of Sorrow is the embodiment of Huepow's sorrow and guilt over his actions at the end of Door to Phantomile, made in the warped image of a friend he deceived. That's just one theory which is linked to a few others of mine.

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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2014, 09:12:37 pm »
I've been thinking of something similar to that for a while; that maybe the King of Sorrow is Huepow as he appears in Lunatea. I think that Huepow felt guilty for having used Klonoa, to the point where he may have isolated himself, thus appearing in Lunatea as the King of Sorrow  :unsure:
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2014, 09:54:44 pm »
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I've been thinking of something similar to that for a while; that maybe the King of Sorrow is Huepow as he appears in Lunatea. I think that Huepow felt guilty for having used Klonoa, to the point where he may have isolated himself, thus appearing in Lunatea as the King of Sorrow  :unsure:
The way my theory went is that after Klonoa was removed from Phantomile, Huepow become depressed and guilt-ridden after what he had done. Eventually, as he was prince of Cress, the Moon Kingdom, he became the king. However, his guilt still existed during his rule, and it was harming the kingdom. It got to the point where the prism, the crystalline structure that converts the dream of the people of Phantomile into dream energy, either stopped working or was damaged beyond repair.

As Phantomile's existence was dependent on the dream energy to power it, the sudden lack of fuel caused Phantomile to wither away. What you see in the World of Sorrow, that dry barren wasteland, is what Phantomile became after it and its inhabitants simply faded. Cress, now powerless, crashed into the ground and embedded itself into the earth, slanted and without any life. The illusion is completely gone.

Huepow was the last one to fade away as the world around him disappeared. As he too vanished, the last thing on his mind was the one friend he had, who he simply used for the good of Phantomile. Unfortunately, he wasn't able to remember him very well, and the remorse in his heart had corrupted that image of Klonoa.

Despite this, Huepow's sorrow was so great, that he didn't fade away entirely. There was something left in his place, a culmination of painful feelings and emotions. It was a lump of sorrow, and it took form from that twisted image of Klonoa that was on Huepow's mind.

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« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2014, 01:55:43 am »
Gotta disagree on the King being Huepow. They're even seen side-by-side in a (very cute) official wallpaper.

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« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2014, 03:02:02 am »
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Gotta disagree on the King being Huepow. They're even seen side-by-side in a (very cute) official wallpaper.
The skiing one? It also shows Guntz there too, so it's just a nice wallpaper, not really opposing evidence.

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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2014, 03:14:12 am »
Anyone got a picture of Huepow's full form from the original/wiimake? I want to compare them with KoS, since I believe someone said there's some resemblance in that and the King.


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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2014, 03:48:20 am »
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Anyone got a picture of Huepow's full form from the original/wiimake? I want to compare them with KoS, since I believe someone said there's some resemblance in that and the King.
While it may be a theory connection of mine, it's not one I'm pursuing. I'm more interested in Klonoa's dreams and his reality, and how they're related.

Aside from that, I remember a comparison image on Pixiv, but I can't seem to find it.